It appears as if there are two internships available at AB (FREE BEER) and one at Mastercard, all for this summer as far as I can tell.
AB Jobs (http://www.buschjobs.com/scripts/ApplicantJobSearch.asp)
Mastercard Job (http://www.mastercardinternational.com/careers/index.html)
I think these won't be up for very long, my friend tells me they may even come down later today. So act fast if you're interested.
You're welcome!!!
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I know it's cute, it's playful, it's a joke; however, referring to computer science students as "computer nerds" propagates stereotypes that discourage prospective students from choosing the major. A computer scientist is a professional and should have the respect for himself and his profession to act as such--especially when seeking employment from the fortune 500.
Medical students don't call themselves "health nerds". Law students aren't "law dorks". Accountancy students aren't "number geeks". Why do we have to be "computer nerds"?
I changed it. Sorry to offend anyone.
At least I pissed someone off enough to have them register and post!!!
anything to get someone to register and post right Tyler :-D
Brad Ty Nunnally
CAOS Vice-Pres.
Cliff, pull the pole out of your ass and lighten up. Anyone that is proud of what they do will gladly call themselves a nerd, geek, or whatever other stereotype they want. I've said it before and I'll say it again
geek is sheek.
Not all stereotypes are a bad thing, and this is far from it. People are TRYING to be stereotyped as geeks. You referred to health students and lawyers. Have you met Timski? He's the really cool adjunct professor that teaches CS325 every other semester and owns a law firm in Collinsville. I do beleive his exact quote was "Before I got my law degree I was a database dork, now I'm just a law nerd." The stereotype of nerds is changing and it's our job to encourage that change, not be ashamed of it. Someone calls me a nerd I look at them and say "..and the sky's blue, what's your point?"
I worked in computers for a while. I was making quite a bit of money doing the computer thing. People in computers suck, they take pride in the fact that they are computer "geeks". It just doesn't meld with the rest of the world. Folks involved with computers think they are special somehow. Real engineers don't think that way, physicists don't think that way, doctors, lawyers, and CEO's don't think that way. Everyone offers a service for pay; they know that what they offer helps the bottom line for whoever they work for. Somehow computer folks think they are doing a favor by working for pay. This is part of the reason I'm breaking off from the whole computer geek scene. We just don't realize how foolish we are with our self importance. There are various PHD's running around that don't understand why office keeps fucking up their document with it's auto correct. Does that mean they're not intelligent people? No. Remember you are just someone who reasons with the unreasonable every day and you are used to it. It doesn't make you smarter or better than anyone.
Somehow we take pride in being abnormal. You are not abnormal, you are just fluent in a newer medium. You are easy to replace. Remember that. Work harder than everyone else and you'll do fine; take solace that you are a computer "geek" and you're fucked.
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Hey Oxnard,
Did you know that there is an actually pyscological disorder associated with docters alone. They get so full of themselves because they have had to go through so much school that they get a god-like mentallity. They think they can do anything and that they are better then those that are actually trained on how to do it.
Have you ever tried to tell any kind of scientist that they might be wrong? If you had, you might know that they will go to the end of the world, even making some stuff up, just to prove you wrong.
CEO's are convinced that since they are some big-shot that they can demand anything from anyone. Even if they don't work for them, which I can attest for through my own work experience.
So please, don't degrade us self-proclaimed computer geeks by saying we are worse then those mentioned above. Atleast we are able to accept who we are and live with it. We are not forced to shoce it down other peoples thoughts on a daily basis.
Thanks.
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Brad Ty Nunnally
CAOS Vice-Pres.
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"Those who are blessed with the most talent don't necessarily outperform everyone else. It's the people with follow-through who excel."
Mary Kay Ash
Oxnard, if computer geeks have an arrogant attitude about them (which we do) it is only because we've been programmed to be that way (pun intended). It's kind of hard not to get an edge when you get a call at 2a.m. from someone that needs their computer fixed A.S.A.P because of some deadline or another and they're willing to pay whatever they want. You say that other professions don't have the same arrogant attitude..I say you are full of shit. For some reason or another I have many friends in pharmacy, and I can tell you that they are just as arrogant about their skills as is everyone else. Lawyers? You know they are arrogant. There is no altruistic profession, there are only altruistic people. My father is a journalist, he's not impacting the world in any earth shattering way but he's damn good at what he does and he knows it.
Your last statement only leaves one thought in my head "well DUH!" what field dont' you have to work hard in or your fucked? "I'm a doctor so I can slack off.." yup and get hit with several multimillion dollar malpractice suits or how about "I'm a lawyer so I don't have to stay up all night preparing for a case" yup only if you don't want any more clients. We are self important in attitude just like everyone else.
That being said CS is a new science and is seen as "cutting edge" by a lot of people. The population of self proclaimed geeks is sky rocketing and anyone that can run a windows installation is raising the geek flag and looking for respect. There are a lot of wannabe's out there that can't get past CS140.
None of the guys I work with are arrogant or egotistical. Most of the people I work with have a Masters' degree, double major, or PhD and write mathematical routines for CAD systems. One might expect them to be a bunch of self-important ubergeeks, but they're not.
I do have a programmer friend who is so arrogant he claims to "walk on water." He very well may, since he isn't out of school all that long and makes a six-figure income. :-o
Quotewhat field dont' you have to work hard in or your F'd
3 words: Tenured college professor. Many professors work hard anyway, but I can name at least one who puts no effort into his work.
There are just a few other professions where you can slack off like that; most of them involve working for the government.:usflag:
Don't even get me started on the state of tenure in college universities. It's absolutely disgusting. One name: Tom Wu. The mans to stop wasting students money and....I'm gonna stop typing now before my blood starts boiling :-x
Hey, come on, we don't have to name names. I really don't think we need to upset anyone MDDarwin.
I'm tired of tip toeing through the tulips, maybe if the univeristy opens it's eyes and realize that some professors are so hated by their students, collegues, and EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSITY then they will realize that something needs to change. The man needs to be gone!
I say this as I proudly wear my coodah is a whatah t-shirt.
The point is: Why do many people outside of computer science have a negative attitude toward cs and what can we do to change its image? This was touched on in another topic (why there are few women in computer science). The bottom line is that most people who don't call themselves "nerds" don't want to be associated with "nerds", especially women.
ModernDayDarwin brings up some good points. However, I disagree with his assertion that "Anyone that is proud of what they do will gladly call themselves a nerd
, geek, or .... "
When many people outside of computer science hear "nerd", they defer to the dictionary definition (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nerd):
nerd
n. Slang
1. A foolish, inept, or unattractive person.
2. A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.
These traits are so undesirable--especially at the fortune 500 companies mentioned in the original post--that it seems unlikely that "anyone that is proud of what they do" would refer to himself as such. Anyone proud of what he does would point out his strengths, not his ineptitudes.
When we say "nerd", are we using the dictionary definition? If not, perhaps we should choose a different word.
And what I'm telling you is that the mental image of a scrawny little shy guy with buck teeth, a pocket protector, and slurred speech is out the window. People are TRYING to attain the status of nerd and even lying in some cases to get there. People shouldn't be ashamed of it, they should be PROUD of it.
The nerds of today are the millionaires of tomorrow with 22 year old arm candy and 6 cars.
ooh so true. It may not be as easy as it once was, but the truth remains.
Oxnard,
I'm afraid I'll have to agree with ModernDayDarwin when he says that you're full of it. Have you ever been pulled over or bothered by the Police for doing absolutely nothing wrong. They're even worse than Doctor's...I understand in alot of areas their jobs could be very stressful, but come on, if you ever get close to a cop or former cop you will discover that they are the ones who are most likely to cheat on their husband/wife and other things that would be considered "unlawful" or "unethical." I for one am glad that they are NOT called (or call themselves) law geeks/nerds as it would do nothing but enrage some of us who consider ourselves nerds, even of the lower echelon nature. :argue:
What does "nerd" mean to you?
Does it mean what is in the dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nerd) or not?
We have to post controversial stuff more often to get new people on the forum like this :welcome:
I found this on Dictionary.com
QuoteThe circus sideshow is the source of the word geek, â€Ã...“a performer who engaged in bizarre acts, such as biting the head off a live chicken.â€Ã,Â
I think I'll stick with calling myself a nerd. :pc:
QuoteThe circus sideshow is the source of the word geek, â€Ã...“a performer who engaged in bizarre acts, such as biting the head off a live chicken.â€Ã,Â
Does that make Ozzy Osbourne a geek? :-?
QuoteThe nerds of today are the millionaires of tomorrow with 22 year old arm candy and 6 cars.
Who says you have to wait for tomorrow? I average about 6 cars (5 that currently run, ranging from totally cool to totally crap) and some arm candy from time-to-time. :-D Still working on the money part, though. :-(
Do you really believe that being foolish, inept, unattractive, or socially inept (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nerd) is a means to accomplish your goals?
This kind of topic would be great for a philosphoy question, trust me I am taking notes :-D . Maybe next week I will post a very formal question dealing with this issue. It seems to me that all of us are passionite about this, even those that are misguided ::cough:: oxnard.
Brad Ty Nunnally
CAOS Vice-Pres.
Self-Proclaimed Nerd!!!
I think Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off of a dove, if I'm not mistaken :-P
Quotetfizzle wrote:
I think Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off of a dove, if I'm not mistaken :-P
I think it is important not to perpetuate rumors - Ozzy bit the head off of a bat (its questionable whether it was live).
Well, this thread cuts across the weekly philosophy question.
Here is a quote on the subject of perpetuating the "nerd" reputation from a paper on gender diversity in IS. I only looked at a few papers in the ACM Digital Library but they all have similar statements. These conclusions come from empirical studies as do the other papers.
QuoteImage of IS Careers: Unfortunately the IS profession suffers
from a negative image that many have seen as hampering its
ability to attract students, especially women. This negative image
is partly due to its perceived similarity to computer science and
computer engineering professions. One of the primary stereotypes
that IS professionals suffer from is that of "geeks" and/or a "nerd"
-- an image that women and minorities especially seek to avoid
[26, 27]. This image is perpetuated by media that build upon such
stereotypes and consequently young people do not think of IS
professionals as "cool" [26, 27, 28]. IS is also perceived to be a
male-dominated field [26]. Thus a certain amount of general
social pressure may dissuade women from pursuing IS as a career.
Cliff wrote:
QuoteDo you really believe that being foolish, inept, unattractive, or socially inept (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nerd) is a means to accomplish your goals?
Tell me cliff have you ever been cheerful, lighthearted, or lively? (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gay) If you want to find out what peopel think of a word, I would suggest not asking Meriem, she's a bit off.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerd&r=f
Wow.
I'll simplify my earlier statements.
Computer folks:
They have the bad of an auto mechanic in which they feel they are superior because they work with a medium day in day out.
They are also rather smart in general. This adds to the arrogance.
You put those two together and it's bad news for anyone who has to interact with them.
I've worked with people I've loved in computers. They represent .1% of the people I've worked with in computers. I would like to see that sector of employment move towards a more traditional mindset.
Personally I think you've got a biased against computer people.
I've worked with management that has a superior arrogant attidude
I've worked with maintenance people that have an arroangt attitude
I've dealth with secretaries that have an arrogant attitude.
You just seem to want to group computer people into one group and nail on them.
This is the point where I have to step away before I do bad things. However, I will leave with this final objective opinion.
Oxnard, you seem to have had some bad experience with some computer "nerd" somewhere down the line. Maybe it happened in you childhood or later in life. Possibly someone got mad and gave you some virus to tease you. I am sorry you have such a negative view on computer people, hopefully one day you will see the light. Till then, I will enjoy reading you posts and laughing at the insanely wrong things you have to say. Good day.
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CAOS Vice-Pres.
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Ovid
QuoteIf you want to find out what peopel think of a word, I would suggest not asking Meriem, she's a bit off.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerd&r=f
So this is just a disagreement over the definition of "nerd". The link you posted above contains 116 different definitions of nerd. Including some funny ones like:
81. Nerd
A small flap of skin that hangs off your body that resembles a candy nerd.
My friend has a nerd on his head
For those who don't know, UrbanDictionary.com is freely editable by anyone with web access.
While "nerd" evidently means many different things to many different people, we can make some headway in our command of the English language when we appreciate that:
1. At least some people think of the dictionary definition of "nerd" when they hear it. (real dictionary)
2. When we use the word "nerd" we cannot assume that the definition in our head will be conveyed precisely to our listener without prior definiton of the term. In this case, it may often be wise to choose a more precise non slang word.
Cliff I've polled 10 people that live in a world that has nothing to do with computers (art and psych students) and no one associates "nerd" with any of the dictionary definitions. Just look at urbandictionary, there are 116 different definitions there that have nothing to do with the real dictionary definition.
Bryan, in your line of argument you have a long way to go in establishing that your personal definition of nerd is is the one that is globally accepted.
First, you haven't even stated what you think nerd means.
Second, you directed us to urbandictionary.com, which points out 116 definitions of nerd that are different from each other. In fact, urbandictionary.com contradicts your argument in that it provides evidence that there is no consensus on the definition of nerd.
Also, your reckless implication that your casual survey of 10 people represents the (600 million+) global English speaking population better than the dictionary is preposterous. Plus, you make no comment on whether those 10 people even agree with each other on the definition of nerd.
Words, especially slang words, mean different things to different people, and that includes girls considering CS as a major, as Jerry pointed out. We can go a long way in improving our communication with others when we recognize that our audience and our choice of words have an impact.
Let's run out an example.
You like your mom.
Your mom sucks at computers.
Computer people are smart.
Computer people will laugh and talk to co-workers about your mom when she refers to google as the intarnet.
What other educated field will laugh at your mom for not being an expert in their specialization? Doctor? Lawyer? Scientist? No. No one else will laugh at your mom for how ignorant they are in their given field.
Again, this isn't everyone. I just encourage whoever may read this to try and not be the majority who laughs at the CEO who can't get his email because of the virus he installed.
By the way, one doesn't have to "be an expert" to know Google is not the "intarnet."
To answer your question: auto mechanics. Nothing against them, but they'll tell everyone they know when somebody does something stupid and funny. Here are some real examples from mechanic friends of mine.
One lady brought her car in because it wasn't running right. Turns out she had the choke nob pulled out and her purse hanging on it. :lol:
Another lady brought her car in for tires and asked the guy to line up the Chevy symbols on the wheel covers so that they were all facing the same direction (believing that they would stay lined up).
Another lady stopped at a gas station and commented that she was nearly out of gas and had been driving like 80 MPH to get to the station before she ran out.
I even laughed at my own mom for driving home from work on a completely flat tire and not knowing it. Bottom line: if an anecdote is funny, people will tell it.
When a certain CS professor can't figure out how to TURN A COMPUTER ON, I shout it from the mountaintops. Not out of spite, or some vain feeling of superiority, but because it is darn funny. :-D I don't laugh at ordinary people who can't figure out how to turn on a computer--just CS professors. I do laugh when an ordinary person can't figure out that "Please insert disk 2" implies that you should first remove disk 1.
QuoteOxnard wrote:
Let's run out an example.
You like your mom.
Your mom sucks at computers.
Computer people are smart.
Computer people will laugh and talk to co-workers about your mom when she refers to google as the intarnet.
What other educated field will laugh at your mom for not being an expert in their specialization? Doctor? Lawyer? Scientist? No. No one else will laugh at your mom for how ignorant they are in their given field.
Again, this isn't everyone. I just encourage whoever may read this to try and not be the majority who laughs at the CEO who can't get his email because of the virus he installed.
I can think of just about every other field in the world that will share an inside joke with other members of the same field about people that aren't as into it as others: mechanics, police officers, doctors, writers, journalists. Your argument is completely off base with no correlation to reality at all.
QuoteCliff wrote:
Bryan, in your line of argument you have a long way to go in establishing that your personal definition of nerd is is the one that is globally accepted.
First, you haven't even stated what you think nerd means.
Second, you directed us to urbandictionary.com, which points out 116 definitions of nerd that are different from each other. In fact, urbandictionary.com contradicts your argument in that it provides evidence that there is no consensus on the definition of nerd.
Also, your reckless implication that your casual survey of 10 people represents the (600 million+) global English speaking population better than the dictionary is preposterous. Plus, you make no comment on whether those 10 people even agree with each other on the definition of nerd.
Words, especially slang words, mean different things to different people, and that includes girls considering CS as a major, as Jerry pointed out. We can go a long way in improving our communication with others when we recognize that our audience and our choice of words have an impact.
Cliff my entire point was that NO ONE THINKS A NERD IS THE SAME THING AS ANY OTHER PERSON! Why do you think I'm going at such great lengths to point out how many different things people think a nerd is. My personal definition is completely irrelevant.
QuoteNO ONE THINKS A NERD IS THE SAME THING AS ANY OTHER PERSON!
Maybe not, but here's an interesting experiment. Take a large general education class, say CS 111 on the first day, and ask everyone to draw a "Computer Scientist".
I wonder how many will draw Urkle or Screech?
It's kind of funny you should mention that, I was thinking "this would make an interesting URA project." That being said your experiement is flawed...those that would take CS111 as a gen ed probably can't draw :-P