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Started by Brian Pritchett, 2009-02-06T15:31:26-06:00 (Friday)

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Justin Camerer

Also, teaching people alternatives to XML would be good.
Justin Camerer
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raptor

XML is the end all be all Justin.
President of CAOS
Software Engineer NASA Nspires/Roses Grant

Justin Camerer

Alright... I made a good joke. Who censored me?
Justin Camerer
Do yo' chain hang low?

Tony

Yeah I believe when you make a servlet and have it send a JSON (JavaScript Object Notation) it sends a string structured in a specific way.  For example, "id":"Tony","street":"foo st.","City":"Barville",.....

You can pass arrays of values etc...  Don't quote me on this because I know that is what is the end result but I am not 100% sure that is what is being sent over the network.  Never looked lol. 
I would rather be hated for doing what I believe in, than loved for doing what I don't.

William Grim

Quote from: raptor on 2009-02-13T15:58:16-06:00 (Friday)
XML is the end all be all Justin.

I hope you're joking.  That's one technology I would love to move beyond.  Anyway, luckily, I don't usually have to use it for more than configuration files.
William Grim
IT Associate, Morgan Stanley

Tony

Quote from: William Grim on 2009-02-14T02:21:39-06:00 (Saturday)
I hope you're joking.  That's one technology I would love to move beyond.  Anyway, luckily, I don't usually have to use it for more than configuration files.

Well, do you ever use webservices?  They use XML.  There are much better ways, but just wondering.
I would rather be hated for doing what I believe in, than loved for doing what I don't.

Ross Mead

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QuoteAlright... I made a good joke. Who censored me?

Excellent question...

The boards are meant to provide an open forum for serious discussion as well as humor.  I've had quite a few posts lately that have been edited or removed under the new "moderation" of CAOS and it's really upsetting; as a result, my activity on the forum has declined dramatically over the course of the past year.  To the officers: you are my friends and it is out of genuine respect that I address you harshly -- you are abusing your power and do not deserve your position if you cannot responsibly and maturely handle the boards.  I've held various officer positions myself, including President, and I too have had to make decisions about posts that were questionable in terms of being off-topic or inflammatory.  To my knowledge, at least two posts in this thread have been removed for what I feel are unwarranted reasons.  Yes, this is the "Official Business" forum,... but that does not mean that a few laughs (which, in this case, were clearly in good taste) are out of order -- heck, that's what has made this organization so great!  I am ashamed that this level of censorship has slipped its way into this public forum, and I really hope that the officers consider "seriously discussing" (i.e., no jokes/laughing/humor?) the grounds for addressing such issues for future reference.

I thought about bringing this up a week ago (when my post was removed) in a new and separate thread (ya' know, so it would be "on topic"), but exercised restraint.  If you think this is "off topic" then I would be more than happy to start a completely separate thread dedicated solely to this, which will include my full comments on the issue.

How long will this post last?

Justin Camerer

Yeah, Mike, I am joking. It kills me to deal with XML in any way.
Justin Camerer
Do yo' chain hang low?

William Grim

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Quote from: Tony on 2009-02-14T02:37:11-06:00 (Saturday)
Well, do you ever use webservices?  They use XML.  There are much better ways, but just wondering.

Not sure what you mean by "using."  I don't develop web services, if that's what you mean, but I'm sure I use lots of websites that are running XML in the background.

It's not to say XML doesn't serve its purpose; I just feel it's poorly implemented in terms of ease-of-use and I/O performance.  However, I am willing (maybe) to discuss in a separate thread this issue in a little more depth.
William Grim
IT Associate, Morgan Stanley

William Grim

Quote from: Ross Mead on 2009-02-14T05:43:36-06:00 (Saturday)
The boards are meant to provide an open forum for serious discussion as well as humor.  I've had quite a few posts lately that have been edited or removed under the new "moderation" of CAOS and it's really upsetting; as a result, my activity on the forum has declined dramatically over the course of the past year.  To the officers: you are my friends and it is out of genuine respect that I address you harshly -- you are abusing your power and do not deserve your position if you cannot responsibly and maturely handle the boards.  I've held various officer positions myself, including President, and I too have had to make decisions about posts that were questionable in terms of being off-topic or inflammatory.  To my knowledge, at least two posts in this thread have been removed for what I feel are unwarranted reasons.  Yes, this is the "Official Business" forum,... but that does not mean that a few laughs (which, in this case, were clearly in good taste) are out of order -- heck, that's what has made this organization so great!  I am ashamed that this level of censorship has slipped its way into this public forum, and I really hope that the officers consider "seriously discussing" (i.e., no jokes/laughing/humor?) the grounds for addressing such issues for future reference.

How long will this post last?

I removed both the posts, but not because they were off-topic.  I removed them because both of them were direct attacks on other people.  Now, I know both of you and know that they were supposed to be innocent jokes, but it's one thing to make a joke or even joke about each other in each other's company.  It's quite another to mock someone in a public forum that is searchable by anyone on the Internet.

How would you like it if one of your future employers did a search for you on the Internet and found that a lot of people were speaking down about you?  That employer may be swayed against your employment, thinking you're not really a person that gets along well with others.  What if it was your dream job?

Because of these reasons, I think the censorship was justified.  I hope you can agree with this reasoning.
William Grim
IT Associate, Morgan Stanley

Tony

Quote from: William Grim on 2009-02-14T14:51:28-06:00 (Saturday)
I removed both the posts, but not because they were off-topic.  I removed them because both of them were direct attacks on other people.  Now, I know both of you and know that they were supposed to be innocent jokes, but it's one thing to make a joke or even joke about each other in each other's company.  It's quite another to mock someone in a public forum that is searchable by anyone on the Internet.

How would you like it if one of your future employers did a search for you on the Internet and found that a lot of people were speaking down about you?  That employer may be swayed against your employment, thinking you're not really a person that gets along well with others.  What if it was your dream job?

Because of these reasons, I think the censorship was justified.  I hope you can agree with this reasoning.

We need to start a thread about this.  I do not agree with you what so ever.  If an employer did a search for me and based their decision on what was said about me on a public forum, then I wouldn't want to work with them anyways.  Anyone gullible enough to believe any rant or cheap shot thrown at someone on message boards isn't someone I want to work with professional. 

It is the very fact that it is a public forum, where any idiot with a keyboard can spew whatever garbage they feel like behind the comfort of a monitor and the internet, that should make it obvious to any real intellects that what they see here is rarely the truth.  Just my opinion.
I would rather be hated for doing what I believe in, than loved for doing what I don't.

Ross Mead

#26
Tony, you made the point that I was hoping to make -- I completely agree!

In an effort to refrain from the long rant of disappointment that is building up inside me, I will simply ask that this not happen again...

[To whom it concerns] (yes, I am hiding your name from searches from potential employers...  ;-)), you know I respect you as a friend and, of course, as a long-time contributor to CAOS; however, I completely disagree with your judgment on this issue.  It is not your [lone] place to be moderating these boards, especially without even consulting the existing officers.  Yes, I understand that you had/have good intentions,... but you can't just take matters into your own hands.  I'm not going to sit here and harp on this -- I'm sure that you can understand my frustration (just as I can understand your perspective).

(Not to mention that there are plenty of times where the aforementioned considerations were ignored, most notably, in regards to certain professors... "A coodah is a whatah?" anyone?  :lol:)

And as far as editing posts (i.e., not deleting them) goes, that needs to stop as well.  [To the officer responsible for that] (again, defending identities here... you and I know who you are... ), respect your position and, more importantly, those that elected you... or I won't help you with your Senior Project...  ;-)

Shaun Martin

Shaun Martin
SIUE Alumni
Associate IT Analyst, AT&T Services, Inc. St. Louis, MO.

Gregory Bartholomew

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Quote from: William Grim on 2009-02-14T14:51:28-06:00 (Saturday)
I removed both the posts, but not because they were off-topic.  I removed them because both of them were direct attacks on other people.  Now, I know both of you and know that they were supposed to be innocent jokes, but it's one thing to make a joke or even joke about each other in each other's company.  It's quite another to mock someone in a public forum that is searchable by anyone on the Internet.

How would you like it if one of your future employers did a search for you on the Internet and found that a lot of people were speaking down about you?  That employer may be swayed against your employment, thinking you're not really a person that gets along well with others.  What if it was your dream job?

Because of these reasons, I think the censorship was justified.  I hope you can agree with this reasoning.

I did not see the posts in question, so I cannot take a strong stance as to whether censorship was appropriate.  I can certainly see it as being possible for there to be a remark made on a forum such as this, perhaps in the heat of some moment, for which the person being "censored" would even be thankful that someone removed their post.  It has certainly happened to me in the past that things have escaped my mouth that I soon after wished I could take back.  That being said, it is probably a good idea for the moderator to leave a note whenever something is censored detailing who did it and why so that others are not left to imagine what motives someone may have against them.  In general, I agree with Mike on this one, let's try to keep our conversation civil.  I think I can even say that Jesus would be on Mike's side on this one as it is written:

"... Walk in love, as Christ also has loved ... Let [coarse jesting] not even be ... among you ..." (Ephesians 5:2-4 NKJV).
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Brent Beer

Quote from: GigaByte on 2009-02-15T10:46:34-06:00 (Sunday)
I think I can even say that J**** would be on Mike's side on this one as it is written:

"... Walk in love, as C***** also has loved ... Let [coarse jesting] not even be ... among you ..." (Ephesians 5:2-4 NKJV).

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