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Internet Sales Tax debate

Started by R. Andrew Lamonica, 2003-11-10T00:58:55-06:00 (Monday)

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R. Andrew Lamonica

Something weird happened to my post?

Jerry

Hmm, I thought you were just swearing at the thought of the Government taking more of our hard earned cash to stoke the fires of their fiscal irresponsibility.
"Make a Little Bird House in Your Soul" - TMBG...

DaleDoe

Yea.  It makes me want to swear.
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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

Michael Kennedy

Heh, no I saw the short-lived arguement last night.  That sucks it was lost because it was very well laid out in it's formatting and arguements. That sucks it was lost.
"If it ain't busted, don't fix it" is a very sound principal and remains so despite the fact that I have slavishly ignored it all my life. --Douglas Adams, "Salmon of Doubt"

Stiffler

I don't know what happened to it. Maybe a government agency erased you're text to drown out any cry against said tax law. If any of you had actually read the so-called Patriot Act, the Government can actually change stuff without permission of the owner to hamper unamerican acts.

Jon
Retired webmaster of CAOS.

Michael Kennedy

Quotethe Government can actually change stuff without permission of the owner to hamper unamerican acts.

Which is ironic since there's nothing more American than freedom of speech.
"If it ain't busted, don't fix it" is a very sound principal and remains so despite the fact that I have slavishly ignored it all my life. --Douglas Adams, "Salmon of Doubt"

DaleDoe

Quotethere's nothing more American than freedom of speech.

Apparently, you haven't worked in a government institution and shown any religeous affiliation.  Or spoken against the government in time of war.  The Patriot Act, which Jon mentioned, is just another example of the US government infringing on civil liberties in time of war, which has occurred in almost every major war throughout our nation's history.

In times of war it is human nature to give up civil liberty for a sense of security.  However, like the "cold war", this "war on terror" has the potential and I beleive inevitability to extend the infringement of these rights to times when we are not actively at war.  Specifically, infringements I am referring to are the FBI's new surveilance powers and more importantly the indefinite detention of both citizens and non-citizens on only suspicion (by Secretary of State or deputy Sec. of State) of terrorism, without formal charges ever being filed.

The act has a very broad definition of domestic terrorism.  Basically, anything that breaks criminal laws within US jurisdiction and is meant to intimidate or coerce government or a civilian population. (sec. 802)  Therefore, putting political pressure, a form of coercion, on a government, if the persons involved break criminal law, is terrorism.

Also, I think that all computer users should understand the part about "computer fraud and abuse offenses" thrown in the Patriot Act.  It ammends Section 2516(1)(c) of title 18, United States Code, which allows the a judge to authorize or approve the interception of communications "when such interception may provide or has provided evidence of - (a) any offense punishable by death or by imprisonment for more than one year..."  In case you're not paying attention to verb tense, this means that such interception can be performed before it has been authorized by a judge, since such action can be "approved" after it "HAS provided evidence of" such crimes.  However, what I take issue with is "may provide".  It is virtually non-restrictive.

By the way, I would be very interested in what you said, Andrew, if the post can be found or is rewritten.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

Stiffler

I just looked in the mysql database and the entry is corrupted there as well. There is no way to recover it like DaleDoe suggest unless there was a backup of the database last night. Mike, was there?

DaleDoe - You really did your homework about the [un]Patriot Act.

Let's write our Congress People to tell them to get rid of that act. It is the grossest violation of our Civil liberties.

Jon
Retired webmaster of CAOS.

Chris Swingler

We're inching quite off-topic here, but I might as well throw something in regarding what Dale said...

http://www.moveon.org/gore/speech.html

This is a speech Gore gave quite recently (11/9) regarding civil liberties post 9-11.  Granted, he has had plenty time to think about this, so we can't really be sure _he_ would have handled the situation better, but it is a very insightful look into the hits our liberties have taken recently.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin.

But I've gone on so many rants recently regarding interpretation of the Constitution that I'm starting to rethink my choice of major.  I'd better stop :).

Back to the topic at hand.

--Beanie
Christopher Swingler
CAOS Web Administrator

DaleDoe

Sorry for the somewhat off-topic speech.  I started to write about the computer-related crimes and surveilance, but when I started with my introduction rhetoric, I became caught up in expounding on the 6th ammendment violations :ranting: and only got to the the 4th ammendment when I realized I was almost late for class.  I didn't even get to the 1st ammendment as I had originally inteded to address.

Chris, that's my favorite Ben Franklin quote.
That was also a pretty good speech by Gore (I didn't :zzz:), although it was one-sided :box: as expected. I could say a few things about Gore's obstruction of justice as VP, but that would be way off topic.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison