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Fedora Linux in new cs computer lab

Started by defcon666, 2008-03-21T13:19:14-05:00 (Friday)

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defcon666

I wanna make my computer runs 2 OS like in cs computer lab has XP and fedora Linux running at the same time.
How do I do that? is it using VMWare server? if it is, is it compatible with XP home edition?

Thanks in advance
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raptor

Its referred to as dual booting and isn't really difficult, depending on how much experience you have with installing OS's etc.  If you find yourself having difficulty and would like some personal assistance, shoot me a message and we might be able to get together in the lab sometime and I could help you out or answer any questions.

Scott
President of CAOS
Software Engineer NASA Nspires/Roses Grant

defcon666

ohh this is what we call dual boot. Alright man I will try to do this. I guess I know adequate experience/knowledge to install OS. but never done this before. so I assume it's pretty much the same then??
Yeah thanks a lot Raptor I appreciate that. I will ask you question if I have obstacle.
The easiest part when creating a program is writing the code

Gregory Bartholomew

He asks for Fedora and you guys give him Ubuntu???  Isn't that a bit like giving someone a scorpion when they ask for an egg? ;-)

P.S. - The "concurrent" environment being used in EB1036 is accomplished by use of cygwin/X and xdmcp, not "dual boot".
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my_handle

More like he asked for the scorpion and they gave him an egg.

bandyguy

Just curious, what is the difference, meaning what does one have that the other dosn't. Just curious.....

Gregory Bartholomew

QuoteJust curious, what is the difference, meaning what does one have that the other dosn't. Just curious.....

Probably not a single thing; especially when you consider that they both run on the same kernel and even if a particular program is not in the package library for one distribution, its source can be compiled to work on the distribution which lacks the precompiled package.

Fedora has a larger development community than any of the other distros.  Fedora and RedHat really are the same distro.  Fedora is just RedHat's "testing ground" for new packages.  When they mature and demonstrate stability in interoperation with the other packages that RedHat and Fedora share, then they can be "promoted" to RedHat's rock solid "red hat enterprise" distro which RedHat charges for.  I've even submitted bug reports to RedHat's bugzilla by mistake when it was actually a Fedora package that I was having trouble with and got the problem addressed because it is exactly the same developers who write the packages for RedHat and Fedora.  If you go to RedHat's website, they have a link at the top of their main page to their Fedora distro (https://www.redhat.com/).  RedHat is also one of the older distros.  Many of these other, smaller distros are put together by a small community of linux gurus to have a fancier looking interface and a lot of eye candy but really don't do anything more than the main/core linux distros.  Many such distros like Mandrake (and I feel that Ubuntu will be one of them too) completely fade away after a few years when people simply get tired of their brand.  RedHat/Fedora is much older, has a much bigger development community (meaning more packages overall), and is better funded than the other distros.  Some people actually complain that Fedora is too "bleeding edge", meaning that packages can make it into their distro which are very beta/unstable.  That's what I actually like about Fedora though.  It gives me a chance to play with the bleeding/cutting edge software that the linux community is working on.  Fedora also works just fine as a server though (in terms of stability).  You just don't install any of the very new and experimental packages on your server/workstation and it will be perfectly stable.  I don't consider reinstalling linux on my workstation every 6 months to be an issue myself.  Like I said, I like to continually upgrade and play with the new stuff.
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William Grim

Quote from: GigaByte on 2008-03-26T14:26:21-05:00 (Wednesday)
Fedora has a larger development community than any of the other distros.  Fedora and RedHat really are the same distro.  Fedora is just RedHat's "testing ground" for new packages.

For such a large development community, they sure do seem to lack a lot of packages found in Debian or Ubuntu.  They also rank lower than other distributions at distrowatch.

I don't believe Ubuntu will fade away. quite so easily  It's based on too solid of a platform and package management system with a proper caching system.  This caching system means that you don't have to spend several minutes each time you want to look up a package that may or may not (likely) exist.  It also has a better ability than most distributions to work with most hardware, including those with proprietary drivers.

Having said that, Red Hat is indeed used by several businesses, but only because it has a solid business support model.  I know our company relies on Red Hat, but we don't use its package model.  We have our own cross platform, cross architecture system for that kind of stuff.
William Grim
IT Associate, Morgan Stanley

Gregory Bartholomew

QuoteFor such a large development community, they sure do seem to lack a lot of packages found in Debian or Ubuntu

I hear that from time to time.  Could someone do a diff between the package lists of Fedora and Ubuntu and post it here?  I'd be curious to see just what these extra packages of Ubuntu are.  It just goes against intuition that a development community that isn't even a 20th of the size of RedHat's could put out so much more software (unless it is a lot of diddly little things).

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William Grim

I find it curious where you get your size statistics as well.  Also, simple size differences won't matter much, since Ubuntu will, by default, have more due to the way they package things: documents, client binaries, server binaries, etc.
William Grim
IT Associate, Morgan Stanley

Gregory Bartholomew

Quotesimple size differences won't matter much, since Ubuntu will, by default, have more due to the way they package things: documents, client binaries, server binaries, etc

So you are saying that they have "more" packages because they divide them into smaller pieces?  Isn't that cheating a bit?

QuoteI find it curious where you get your size statistics as well

Same place all statistics come from. :-)  It is a little hard to track the loyalties of the development community as the developers don't really proclaim who they favor.  One might just go by the names in the packages but that is difficult to access and just about every package has multiple (many) authors.  If you want something more tangible, how about that RedHat has been around since 1994 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redhat and Ubuntu is just a young'n that came into being in the fourth quarter of 2004.
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William Grim

I'm saying last time I checked, there were more unique packages in Debian/Ubuntu than in Fedora core/extra.  Why would I try to strengthen my argument with a weak case such as the separation of single packages into multiple packages?  I wouldn't.

I was trying to say that Debian/Ubuntu had more unique packages in spite of aforementioend fact, not because of that fact.  I lost the link I found during lunch, but Fedora is up to roughly 8,000 packages as of the posting of the link a few months ago.  If I recall correctly, Debian/Ubuntu had over 10,000 unique packages.
William Grim
IT Associate, Morgan Stanley

defcon666

May I interject? I'm sorry guy but I just don't know what you are talking about. It doesn't help me to accomplish this. so which one is correct, Dual boot or by using cygwin/X and xdmcp. either way I have limitation of knowledge to do it. And I'm not planning to install ubuntu/fedora. It's some other distro. is that a problem then? is every distro have their own way to install ?
The easiest part when creating a program is writing the code

bandyguy

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No, you should be able to install pretty much any distro using either a dual boot or a virtual machine. If you want to dual boot, please refer to my first post's link. It is for ubantu but will work the same with other ones.